Jim Schu - EXACTLY! - politicos are a species unto themselves and ALL for themselves, altho some would have folks believe there are different types of politicos - ROTFLMAO!

Local Yokel, no it wasn’t me that SAID it; I was merely quoting others (now deceased). How old do you believe me to be? LMAO. On second thought, I’d prefer you do NOT answer that! “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." - Alexis de Tocqueville. “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote”, “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic”, “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty”, “This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins”, “Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do”, “The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself”, “Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature”. – Benjamin Franklin. "There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt." – John Adams. "Man is not free unless government is limited." – Ronald Reagan. The two quotes (generally quoted as one) I believe you are referring to, however, are below.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.” “Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage”. – Author or authors disputed. I hope this was helpful. ‘8^)

You know spaulding, that is exactly what I would expect from YOU! Your uncivil, mean-spirited bullying of folks posting their opinions here that you disagree with is legendary. But heck, I am sure you have your own tight-knit group of like-minded friends, so I just have 2 questions for spaulding. 1. Do y'all buy your white sheets in bulk and 2. Are they at least made in America?

I've been up all night with my favorite horse. She is ready to give birth. I worry about taking care of my kids and my animals. I hate the way this country is going, so sad. We are over joyed, however, with the new baby coming.

Shouldn't Americans take note of this and be outraged??? It seems to me that Obama's needy voters are a curse or the like on this country like Montesuma's Revenge or something. for what? perhaps for abortion or homosexuals or discarding God or just plain greedyness, the acceptance of all sin, or stupidity of humans or, who knows. Something is amiss.

Jim Schu wasn't it you who said that once people discover that they can vote themselves entitlements thats when the country implodes from within? or something to that effect? Didn't the founding fathers warn of this and you quoted them?

Funny, you can be any age to collect WELFARE AND FOODSTAMPS PLUS MEDICAL! Millions do it and government thinks their wonderful! WORK ALL YOUR LIFE, and you are looked down upon if you collect retirement at 65!!! What a SCREWBALL SYSTEM!!!

I'd love to have an opt out as well. Quit dangling that carrot in front of me let me have my SS tax as MY money on my paycheck, and owe me nothing when I DECIDE to retire. They can keep everything I already gave them the past 33 years. I do way better in my 401 than they can do. ALL government workers with the Golden Parachute policies should have to give them up and be on whatever they give the people they represent. Their salaries and perks need scaled way back as well.

Exactly what I expect from a Obamessiah worshipper like you Ammy. You can't argue my points, so you insult me and try to convince yourself that voting for Obama is like voting for anyone else. Keep up the good work. AGD - I completely agree. There should be an opt out for people. I would love to add another 6.2% contribution to my 401k. Or to my bank accounts. Or cases of beer. If I don't have any money when I get old, that's my fault. Actions have consequences. Save now or keep working later. Choose wisely.